Overcoming the Stigma of ADHD: Why a Diagnosis is Not a Deficit with Dr. Jimmy Moley

Episode 047 — Overcoming the Stigma of ADHD: Why a Diagnosis Is Not a Deficit with Dr. Jimmy Moley

ADHD is often misunderstood as a weakness, flaw, or lack of discipline but a diagnosis is not a deficit. In this episode of Overcoming Anything, host Anne Vryonides sits down with Dr. Jimmy Moley to unpack what ADHD really is, how it can show up differently across the lifespan, and why many high-performing adults don’t recognize the signs until life circumstances change.

Dr. Jimmy Moley is a private sports psychiatrist who helps high-performing individuals optimize their mental health and performance. He has expertise in ADHD, head injuries, sports-related concussions, and the mind-body connection, and he brings a grounded, compassionate perspective to reducing the stigma around diagnosis, treatment, and mental performance.

Key Takeaways
• ADHD is not a character flaw it is often a mismatch between how the brain functions and the environment it is expected to perform in
• Many adults develop systems, patterns, or “schemas” to compensate for ADHD symptoms until a major life change disrupts those systems
• Treatment can be holistic: medication, executive function training, lifestyle shifts, therapy, coaching, exercise, nutrition, and structure can all play a role

Timestamps
• 00:00 — Introduction: overcoming the stigma of ADHD
• 02:10 — Dr. Jimmy’s mantra: focus on what you can control
• 05:00 — The biggest challenge he overcame: starting a private practice right after residency
• 09:00 — Why he chose sports psychiatry and mental performance work
• 13:00 — Mental health optimization: why each client needs a personalized framework
• 17:00 — ADHD across the lifespan: why adult diagnosis is becoming more common
• 21:00 — ADHD types: inattentive, hyperactive, and combined presentation
• 25:00 — ADHD in the workplace: procrastination, focus challenges, and task completion
• 29:00 — Why life changes can bring ADHD symptoms to the surface
• 33:00 — Schemas: the systems people with ADHD use to stay functional
• 37:00 — Medication, executive function training, and changing the environment
• 42:00 — Biology, environment, trauma, and the complexity of ADHD causes
• 46:00 — How symptoms may present differently in men and women
• 50:00 — Misconceptions: ADHD is not all negative, and it is not “just laziness”
• 54:00 — High performers with ADHD: finding environments where the brain can thrive
• 58:00 — Should you disclose ADHD at work? Reading the room, accommodations, and stigma
• 01:03:00 — Midlife diagnosis: releasing shame and understanding the burden you’ve carried
• 01:08:00 — Emotional dysregulation, relationships, and communication challenges
• 01:13:00 — Practical treatment tools: medication, coaching, neurofeedback, supplements, diet, and exercise
• 01:18:00 — First steps if you think you may have ADHD
• 01:22:00 — High performance mental health: proactive support before crisis
• 01:26:00 — Tools for emotional resilience: mindfulness, paced breathing, visualization, and deeper self-understanding
• 01:30:00 — Recommended books and where to connect with Dr. Jimmy Moley

Connect with Dr. Jimmy Moley
• Dr. Jimmy’s website: https://jimmymoleymd.com | Instagram | Linkedin

Resources
• ADHD 2.0 by Edward M. Hallowell, MD and John J. Ratey, MD, https://a.co/d/04HT7775
• Mind Gym by Gary Mack and David Casstevens, https://a.co/d/0eePMMvH 

If this episode helped you, share it with someone who has wondered if ADHD is part of their story, a high performer quietly struggling to stay organized, or someone who needs to know that a diagnosis is not a deficit and that it can be the beginning of understanding yourself better. 

I’ll see you next time on Overcoming Anything.
❤️ Anne

Disclaimer
The content of this episode is for informational and inspirational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional therapy, diagnosis, legal, or medical care. Always consult a qualified healthcare professional for diagnosis, treatment, or medication guidance.

#overcominganything #midlifetransformations #energyhealing #resilience #adhd #adhdawareness #adhdadults #adultadhd #adhdsupport #neurodivergent #neurodiversity #mentalhealth #mentalhealthawareness #executivefunction #emotionalregulation #highperformance #sportspsychiatry #mindbodyconnection #focus #productivity #selfimprovement #personaldevelopment #mindset #overcomingstigma #healingjourney #overcomingadversity #podcast #podcastlife #podcastcommunity #podcasthost

Transcript

Speaker 0:00

Welcome to Overcoming Anything, the podcast where we dive deep into stories of resilience, transformation, and growth. I'm your host, Anne, and today we have an incredible guest who is going to talk about overcoming the stigma of ADHD and why diagnosis is not a deficit. Joining me today is Dr. Jimmy Moley, who is a private sports psychiatrist who helps high performing individuals optimize their mental health and performance. He has expertise in head injuries, sports related concussions, and the mind body connection. So welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 0:30

Hey, thank you very much for having me.

Speaker 0:31

My pleasure. So before we dive in, I always love to ask one quote or question. I always love to ask one question, what's one quote or mantra that helps keep you going in tough times?

Speaker 2 0:40

That's such a great question. I really try to, for both myself and the patients that I work with, really try to focus on what I can control, right? And what's within that bucket. There's so much in the world that we can't control, right? But really helps me stay grounded and tackle tough challenges if I really try to maintain my focus on what's within my power to, to make a difference in my life.

Speaker 0:58

I love that. And that has to be so reassuring to some of your top performing, athletes and clients who can get sidetracked. Just stay in focus and focus on what you can control,

Speaker 2 1:09

right, right.

Speaker 1:10

Love that. Let's start at the beginning. What is the most difficult thing you've ever had to overcome in your life?

Speaker 2 1:14

Thinking back through everything, Hey, you know, so in medical school and residency training, right? There's a lot of different career paths and career options and I made the pretty difficult decision at the time to start my own private practice. So I wanted to help individuals who struggle with a variety of mental health challenges. But, starting that practice and kind of designing my own practice was. By far, probably the most difficult thing that I've had to do. It, we don't get a ton of business training right? As, as part of our medical education. So navigating that world, really, marketing myself, getting out there in terms of trying to reach as many people as I can to help them was very difficult. Right? But I think it helps to have, a strong vision. I had, a pretty clear vision of the work I wanted to do, and that at the, at its core really involves helping people overcome their own challenges, right? I really do see myself in that role and think it's been effective. There certainly have been many challenges along the way, right? It's not a linear growth process by any stretch, but, one that I find very rewarding and I think that helps, especially when the challenges do come in at a little bit of a higher clip.

Speaker 2:08

So right after medical school, did you go to a big practice and then you went on your own or you went straight to being in practice on your own?

Speaker 2 2:15

Straight into practice? On my own, yeah. Out of residency training, which, is, I would say an unorthodox method for sure. I would say the more common path, like you said, is maybe you join a group practice or an academic job for, any length of time. I had talked to a number of different physicians who. Had wished they had gone to private practice sooner, so I figured, hey, why not get started right away? And, very happy with the decision, but certainly hasn't come without many challenges.

Speaker 2:35

You're very courageous. And as an expert in optimizing mental health and performance, this probably gave you the advantage to really overcome that. So I

Speaker 2 2:44

think so, yeah. It's good. I mean, I oftentimes can even use, my own experiences, right? Obviously dealing with challenges and I think it helps relate, especially to high performers who may struggle with uncharted territory, self-doubt, right? A lot of the things that I've had to grapple with over the years.

Speaker 2:57

So I was gonna say, what made you become a sports psychiatrist?

Speaker 2 3:00

Yeah, so I always grew up being involved in athletics, played sports myself, even worked as a broadcaster for a small stretch, and knew I wanted to work in athletics and athletic culture, right? So originally I thought that was going to be more of the orthopedics route, but loved psychiatry and the more humanistic, artistic kind of side of medicine. That I think mental health care evolved to. So, in the past five years there's been a huge explosion of awareness of mental health for athletes and awareness of mental health in general, for adults of all levels. So, really was able to fuse many of my passions together and really I have enjoyed the work very much.

Speaker 3:31

Are there some,, key concepts or a specific framework that you use with your clients when you're talking about, let's say, optimizing their mental health and their performance?

Speaker 2 3:41

There are, so there's a general framework, that I go through with each client, and it starts off, with a very open-ended intake assessment, right? Everyone is so different, comes from a different background, unlike say, a cardiovascular disease, right? Or a certain brain disease, right? There's no imaging, there's no lab work. There's very little objective testing we can do in psychiatry. So that, what that means then realistically. Is that we have to have very human interactions, right? One-on-one conversations. The saying goes that, our operating room is the office, right? We're able to dig in and understand each individual on a very unique level. So there are certain frameworks, that we stay within. But what I love about it is that each new case is its own opportunity, to learn about other people and to help them through their challenges.

Speaker 4:20

Excellent. So let's dive a little deeper, specifically on A DHD. So what are you finding with a lot of your A DHD patients or maybe specifically adults? So, what would the signs be because, our generation, maybe a lot of our parents didn't have awareness of the signs of A DHD, so it seems like there's this explosion of A DHD adult onset because all of a sudden people see on social media I have a DHD, and they realize it, but they didn't know growing up. So could you talk about that?

Speaker 2 4:50

Oh, for sure. Talk about a transformational shift over the last decade or two. Especially like you said, across generations. A DHD as we understand it, is what we call a neurodevelopmental condition. And part of the requirements for criteria for adult diagnosis is that symptoms have been present, before the age of 12. And that symptoms are now impairing in multiple domains of life. So that means, they may show up at work or at home or in social life, things like that, right? So we think about A DHD as a condition that really evolves across the lifespan. Okay? Now many people probably relate to this as children, right? You may notice. More symptoms of not being able to stay focused, of always bouncing around the room. But like you said in the past, this was chalked up to maybe differences for boys versus girls. Or maybe we're just a little more hyperactive or things like that. So we're coming to understand I think where that line is between what is acceptable in terms of, how do we manage this? How do we kinda let this play out versus when do we need to step in maybe with treatment? The current diagnostic standard is that there are a few different buckets. One is a DHD inattentive type. Which is really folks who struggle with maintaining focus. There's the hyperactive type, which is more of a restlessness, physical movement based disorder. Or individuals often describe, feeling driven by a motor or unable to sit still. And then the most common type is a combination of those two. Those are our most current understanding of the diagnosis. But it, is a very fluid diagnosis that can change over the course of a person's lifespan as well.

Speaker 6:11

Oh, that's interesting to say that it can change. Let's say for example, if someone was in the workplace and they are struggling to complete task on time or they're waiting to the last minute on projects what would you see as the signs of A DHD and maybe like a corporate workplace environment?

Speaker 2 6:29

Yeah. And what often when I see this is after changes in the person's environment. So I like to describe a DHD as a mismatch between, the way your brain interprets the world and functions and the environment that it's in. So in some environments, individuals with maybe traditional A DHD actually function quite well, right? They're able to multitask maybe at a higher level than others. They're able to integrate. Different senses, maybe a little bit more quickly now, if that environment changes, say a job change, say a relationship change, maybe early retirement, different change in roles, all of a sudden we may see some of those deficits now come to the forefront. The symptoms can be very broad. They, are very generally inattentive and inability to focus, to stay locked in on tasks, like you said, often maybe procrastinating or putting things off to the last minute. The hyperactive side is, like I said, more of that physical restlessness, that we see often. But part of the challenge, and, I'm sure as we'll talk about here too, is with diagnosis that there's a lot of things that overlap, with a DHD as well, those are always things to look for, but really the diagnosis, working with a trained professional is the best way to go to see what the best way to intervene is.

Speaker 7:28

And you had mentioned before about change in environment, so could, like the death of a spouse or let's say, a life trauma or like getting laid off, like basically trigger some. I'm not really an expert on the brain, so forgive me. Trigger some type of like trauma response, which will induce the symptoms of A DHD or exacerbate them.

Speaker 2 7:50

No, that's a good way to put it. I think there's certain changes that can definitely bring these symptoms to the forefront where maybe they were well managed or at a lower level before. I think a lot of people with A DHD relate to, this idea of what we call schema. So schema are systems or patterns or things that people with A DHD do either consciously or subconsciously to work around some of their deficits, right? So if you know that maybe you're a procrastinator, maybe you have a system for when you get things done, or maybe there's certain organizational systems that work well for you right now, all of a sudden, imagine if those systems were thrown out the window by, like you said, maybe the death of a spouse or a relative or a change in job, right? When those schemas fall off, now all of a sudden there's no system by which people with A DHD can sort through some of their, different challenges. So that's a lot where I do see. Things come up and around those sudden changes are often where we start to notice it.

Speaker 8:39

So this is obviously a general question because it would be different with everyone, but, when one of those schema is off is, do you normally suggest someone go on medication just short term until their brain readjust? Or do you suggest that, they see maybe an expert in organization on Or how would you suggest they either. Revert back to their original schema or create a new schema? Or is that something that you help your patients create?

Speaker 2 9:05

That's a great question. Yeah. If we're thinking of a DHD, like I said, is that mismatch between the brain and the environment we look at, all right, if there is a mismatch, what can we change? There are certain situations where maybe we can change the environment, right? Maybe we do look at different organizational systems or different structures. There's sometimes though, where that's just not the case. An example that comes to mind is maybe an adult who, wants additional education and goes back to school. Right? Now you're in the school environment and now there's all sorts of organizational related challenges that, that we can't avoid, right? It's not the option just to not do the homework assignment or to not take the exam. So now, if the environment is really not as modifiable now, maybe we have to look at medication to say, all right, now how do we meet this new environment, even if it's a temporary thing. Right. But I think to your point too, whole treatment is holistic and we wanna make sure that if we are looking at whether it's medications, whether it's executive function training, lifestyle adjustments, supplements, we wanna do all of these things in concert together to make sure that we're addressing everything that we possibly can.

Speaker 9:59

Okay. So you mentioned that A DHD symptoms usually appear before the age of 12. So is this something that is. Biologically a part of a child when they're born, or could it be like based on their environment or could it be a childhood trauma that actually causes the A DHD because their nervous system became dysregulated and their brain couldn't keep up and adjust with it.

Speaker 2 10:22

Could be all of the above. My approach that I like to follow is called the bio cycle of social model, right? So we're gonna look at all of it, there's probably some genetic, biological underpinning or maybe a predisposition that folks have. I think that's probably very real. But like you said, they're probably also environmental factors. There are behavioral methods, there are things, a lot of things I'm sure that, that contribute. And to be honest, the research. It's probably not to the level where it needs to be for us to have a full understanding of all the different causes, even for treatment. Like we do know that stimulant medications seem to help, stimulant medications work primarily in one way, at least by increasing dopamine levels. But I think our understanding of why dopamine seems to help it is a little unclear, right? So I think we do have a long way to go in terms of the research, but it is likely, multifactorial, if you will.

Speaker 11:04

Do the symptoms present differently in men versus women? Yeah,

Speaker 2 11:08

they can be. And then that, that is one of the great challenges, especially at a younger age, right? I think, our, even our social perceptions, right of behavior that's expected of younger boys and younger girls plays into factor., Traditionally boys have been diagnosed at a much higher clip. We often maybe see some of the more external symptoms in younger boys are, maybe a little bit more quick to, to associate that with a DHD. Than we are in younger girls. So I think there may be some kind of biological, genetic differences, genetic underpinnings, but there's also a pretty sizable, sociological perception right of behavior that probably leads to that discrepancy in diagnosis.

Speaker 11:40

And what are some of the misconceptions people have about A DHD, especially in high performing adults?

Speaker 2 11:45

I think there's a perception one that, that it is all negative, right? That it is something to be just tackled and overcome. I work with a lot of individuals who say that their A DHD symptoms have allowed them to achieve great things in their career and in their life. I think. We often, I often talk about we're trying to manage symptoms. We're not trying to completely eliminate them, right? So when somebody comes to me and, I don't want to eliminate their ability to multitask or to handle different things at once, right? We wanna try to channel those efforts actually into the most productive ways possible. If. I would say there is a perception out there that it is a significant disability or that it is, in a way something that is only harmful. And I don't think that's the case. Now, on the flip side, I think there's also, some that argue that maybe a DHD isn't even a real diagnosis, right? That people need to, work on overcoming attention issues or focus a little bit harder or whatever the argument is. And I do think that. That perspective, I think lacks understanding of the research, and what we know biologically, that individuals seem to struggle with certain deficits in this area. So both extremes I think are probably, in the wrong there. But I think some middle ground is probably where we land.

Speaker 12:44

Okay. So if you were to think of one of your top clients who has become really successful in spite of having a DHD without giving us any particulars, is there any specific actions that they took or any type of compensations that they did that made them successful even though they had a. A DHD to overcome it.

Speaker 2 13:05

I think what I find generally is that folks with A DHD tend to seek out environments in which they seem they thrive in, right? So these are environments where there's usually a lot of activity. There's, it's not usually your, 12 hour a day desk job, doing very rote manual tasks because it's usually things where you can be interacting with other people. You're bouncing around, you're doing many things at once, trying to wear many hats. So I think what I tend to see is that people seek out those environments. Now, sometimes when those environments change, like we talk about that's where you start to run into some of the problems. But I think trying to find. The right match of whether it's a career, whether it's a family situation, right? Where are you going to feel most aligned as somebody with A DHD? Where can we really try to align the way your brain functions with what you need to get done? That's where we see the best outcomes.

Speaker 13:48

And so just generally speaking, would you suggest that an employee tell their boss that I have a DHD, so they could be more understanding? Or do you see this as like almost like a stigma where they're like, Ugh, they have a DHD, I'm not gonna give 'em that project. Oh, they're gonna wait till the last minute, or what do you, I know it's general, but what would you suggest that. As an approach that someone could take at work?

Speaker 2 14:11

That's a good question. There, there certainly is stigma across the board, I would say for mental health, obviously. But A DHD specifically, so like you said, individual situation. I would read the room, and understand the. The kind of the stakeholders and the dynamics of the job. But what I would say is that there are oftentimes a lot of modifications, that we can make or, recommendations for modifications that could go a long way. I think a lot of people associate that with schooling, right? So maybe that looks like extra time on tests or taking a test in a room with less stimuli. But that could also apply to work as well. Maybe it's, different schedule, more remote work, time, in different parts of a company, right? So I would say if there are modifications that could help, opening up that conversation would probably, hopefully lead to greater understanding and greater, ideas that we need to work together towards creating the best environments for optimal work.

Speaker 14:55

There's been a lot more talk about A DHD, like the past, you mentioned 10 years, so it seems like the children today or young adults have the understanding and people talk about, oh, I have a DHD, but midlife people. Who didn't have a diagnosis, they may feel shame around the diagnosis and they may not want to tell their boss or tell their friends. So what advice would you have for them to overcome that shame and really not make it impact their personality?

Speaker 2 15:23

Right, right. I would say that. Individuals that struggle with, that are carrying a weight, right? They're carrying a weight of, it takes a lot of energy, I think, to overcome deficits related to A DHD, right? It takes a lot of energy to make those schema and to, worry about procrastination and deal with all of that. So you're already carrying a pretty heavy burden. So I usually talk to folks about, Hey, if we can decrease that burden by even 10, 20%, what could that do for you in terms of productivity, in terms of your relationships, your communication style? When people are treated successfully and actually are able to address the concerns, the change is very. Very immediate and very dramatic. So that, if you highlight some of the positive success stories, I think people are very motivated to, to get some of that relief from some of the burden that they've carried, maybe for, like you said, up, up to decades.

Speaker 16:07

Okay. And how can A DHD impact, confidence, relationships, their emotional wellbeing, if it goes unrecognized or maybe undiagnosed?

Speaker 2 16:16

Yeah, so it's one of the parts of A DHD that, that I deal with most frequently is the emotional dysregulation that comes from that, right? We talked about the energy that it takes to deal with some of these symptoms. That's energy then that you're not using for emotional regulation, for communication, maybe at home with your spouse or partner with your kids, right? And a lot of times. A DHD folks tend to view problems maybe a little bit differently, right than neurotypical individuals. So there's a lot of times conflict that arises from that. So it's like not only do we need to work on treating the symptoms of inattention or hyperactivity, we also need to address how this affects your relationship with others, and how you know now after treatment, maybe how things are gonna be different or how you're gonna navigate that new world with not only yourself, but the people around you.

Speaker 16:56

Okay. So what practical tools, habits, treatments made the biggest difference in some of your clients in overcoming their A DHD and actually thriving?

Speaker 2 17:06

I would say, medication is the most effective and the most immediate, right? A DHD medication typically works within one to two weeks. There's a very high response rate, which is unusual for psychiatric medications and can really make a big difference in people's lives Now. Medications aren't for everyone. Certain people can't tolerate them for whatever reason, or may have a preference to avoid them. So we do have, like you mentioned, different therapy techniques, like executive function training. There's different, we're learning more about non-medication options like neurofeedback and different stimulation of different neural networks. And then there's also the kind of more natural supplement route. Maybe for folks with a more mild array of symptoms. There are certain supplements that have been shown to, to help with attention as well. We wanna look at all that. And of course, we're gonna look at lifestyle factors like diet and exercise. We know that these have a big impact on your ability to maintain attention. It's actually a very unique and multifaceted conversation, which I think a lot of people, may find relief in that, Hey, there's many things we can do to help address this.

Speaker 17:56

Okay, so if someone is experiencing the symptoms right now that you discussed, and they're like, okay, I think I might have a DHD, what would you recommend? What would be the next steps that you would suggest?

Speaker 2 18:08

Yeah, I would say I would definitely reach out to a medical provider. So for some folks that look like, might look like their primary care physician who could help facilitate a referral, to either, a psychiatrist like myself or a neuropsychologist who could do the assessment. There's a lot of people that can provide these assessments, but you wanna make sure that you're going to a trained professional. There are many online surveys, online programs that will, maybe say you're more likely to have a diagnosis. I think those can be helpful, but also we need to be cautious about what they're actually testing for. So I always recommend, if there is any question, reach out to either a mental health provider or your friend, like primary care doctor and they can help facilitate the testing.

Speaker 18:43

Okay. And then a DHD coaches that you see online. Do you think they are resourced in the right tools to help support organization decluttering or lifestyle? Obviously it depends on the coach, but. What would you suggest about that?

Speaker 2 18:58

Yeah, no, I think those, individuals do great work. I work with many of them myself. And, I think it's just another piece of the puzzle, right? It's a way to, it's definitely a way to help with accountability with, very logistical, kind of concrete day-to-day things that you can do to help with, executive function and organization. I think those individuals do good work.

Speaker 19:15

Awesome. So switching back to high performance, so if we have a midlife individual who's working in their career, what suggestions could you make to help people optimize their mental performance at work or in their relationships?

Speaker 2 19:29

I think so the gears are shifting. I think we're starting to look more at mental health from a proactive approach. And that's what I try to preach is mental skills, mental optimization can really actually be a tool or an asset, that is used, right? Oftentimes, I get calls, after a crisis or after someone's really struggling, which I appreciate and see that as an opportunity to help. But what I really enjoy working on is, all right, now, how do we optimize? How do we. Build up strength in this area, right? How do we develop and work on mental resilience and what we see here that those people tend to have a higher level of emotional intelligence, emotional resiliency, and as a result, success, and whatever their goals are in life.

Speaker 20:04

And how do you suggest, any specific tools to help build that? Emotional resilience, maybe emotional intelligence, their executive functioning skills.

Speaker 2 20:12

Yeah, I mean there's, so there's the immediate short term stuff, which we can always work on in terms of, mind to mindfulness techniques, pace breathing, visualization, that there's a lot of tools in that tool bag, right? There's kind of those immediate skills, that you can work on. But then there's also the big picture work that I also enjoy, where, Hey, let's look back on your childhood. Let's try to understand. Maybe how past patterns of behavior and past influences now impact how you make decisions, how you think about your life goals, how you define metrics for success for yourself and your business. I think that ability to both zoom in and zoom out is important and finding the right balance between that often leads to some of the best outcomes.

Speaker 20:46

I love that. So is there any information that you would like to share with our listeners? Maybe a question that I haven't asked, that you would like to give them suggestions or tools or tips on?

Speaker 2 20:55

I always advocate for folks don't hesitate to reach out, right? If you are struggling with any mental health concern, it's much better to be proactive than to be reactive before it gets to any sort of crisis point. So, whether that's a psychiatrist, a mental health professional, your primary care doctor, a crisis hotline, whatever it is,, always encourage reaching out and, if anyone wants to learn more about my work, you can do that online. But, really just always recommend, reaching out for help and taking that first step.

Speaker 21:19

Okay. And specifically do you do telemed all over the country or, how can people reach out to you

Speaker 2 21:24

That's great. So my website is jimmy moley md.com. I offer both in-person and virtual services, and I'm licensed for now in Ohio and Florida. Looking to expand here probably shortly. And I do both medication management and psychotherapy services.

Speaker 21:37

Excellent. So is there, a book that helped some of your clients on their journey to overcome A DHD or maybe understand A DHD or a book you could recommend on high performance?

Speaker 2 21:48

Yeah, for sure. A few, so actually A DHD 2.0, is a book that's relatively new, that has a lot of good information on it. It's written by clinicians that, that you can trust, so that's super helpful. From a mental health performance standpoint. Mine Gym is actually a book originally written for athletes, but I think has a lot of great ideas about mental performance and performance optimization that a lot of people find very helpful.

Speaker 22:07

Excellent. Awesome. We'll go ahead and link those below in show notes. We'll also link your resources, how people can reach out to you down below. And I wanna say thank you for your time. This has been a very, insightful conversation and I know it will help someone who may be struggling right now. So thank you, Dr. Mo. Hey,

Speaker 2 22:24

thank you so much,

Speaker 22:24

and if you found this episode helpful, please share it with someone who might be facing a similar challenge and needs to hear this message of hope. I'll see you next time on overcoming Anything.